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Lag Hell · Nov 01, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Velvet Wing

Anyway, back on topic, I wanted to create a char named: Rayne Jewel of Istan.. but it was forbidden.. I learned that that was because Jew is a part of Jewel and therefore forbidden.. darn, cause I just wanted her to refer to one of the best looking ingame towns in the game

LOL??!! wat the fvck? Jewel= Jew... r u serious....

Gorebrex · Nov 01, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

AFAIK, private companies CAN "make their own rules", but if in the US, they ARE subject to US law(the Constitution, an applicable state/local law). As proof of this, I offer a picture of ANets user license agreement.

As you can see, the agreement is enforcable by the laws of the state of Texas, which is in the US, and that places it under US law. Meaning that(again, AFAIK), ANet CANNOT lawfully make any rules which would violate the US Constitution, as far as the American districts are concerned.

Clawdius_Talonious · Nov 02, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

Did they not even warn you about your "offensive" name and not offer to change it? That seems a bit odd to me, as those names don't jump right out at you as offensive... I mean you see people out there with some really twisted names, especially on PVP only characters.

I personally don't find anything offensive, but I've got... What's that called... Ohh, a sense of humor...

I can see why Anet doesn't have room for a sense of humor, but I thought that you got warned before outright banning... I'd be extremely upset if Anet banned me for a name without warning after seventeen months of playing and hundreds of GW recommendations.

SirErnieMacGloop · Nov 02, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Yarly · Nov 02, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Heh, so they ban the names with the most subtle of links to whatever may offend someone. Yet names like "fuuuk me", and "petite pussy" aren't banned :P How daft.

Excuse my use of "real" igns.... but theres a point which needs to be brought forward here

Res Ipsi · Nov 02, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Yarly

Heh, so they ban the names with the most subtle of links to whatever may offend someone. Yet names like "fuuuk me", and "petite pussy" aren't banned :P How daft.

Excuse my use of "real" igns.... but theres a point which needs to be brought forward here

If these are real igns, they will be removed by the Mods. But I know what you're talking about. I've seen some pretty offensive igns that got past whatever "offensive name filter" ANet uses. Reporting the names to ANet is one solution.

Yarly · Nov 02, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Ohh yes they are real. Doesn't really matter if the mods delete them, im sure we all can come to the conclusion that ANet's "offensive name filter", must be feeling a bit under the weather

Malice Black · Nov 02, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

My new Dervish is called "Civil War Movement"..lets see how long that one lasts.

Yarly · Nov 02, 2006, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Haha... Maybe they'll send you an email asking for confirmation as to which civil war you were thinking of when creating your character, the harsher and more controversial the war deciding the force with which to bring down the ban bat..lol

Sekkira · Nov 02, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Kill Without Consequence (Warrior)
Death Incognito (Assassin)
Divine Massacre (Dervish)
Demand Mastery (Mesmer)

Even though I don't know an ounce of Latin, it rocks for these kind of names.

Diablo™ · Nov 02, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

AFAIK, private companies CAN "make their own rules", but if in the US, they ARE subject to US law(the Constitution, an applicable state/local law). As proof of this, I offer a picture of ANets user license agreement.

As you can see, the agreement is enforcable by the laws of the state of Texas, which is in the US, and that places it under US law. Meaning that(again, AFAIK), ANet CANNOT lawfully make any rules which would violate the US Constitution, as far as the American districts are concerned.

I've seen the idea of "Freedom of Speech & Expression" thrown around in the player defense arena quite often. Gorebrex is right, private companies are subject to the law of it's associating country, such as the United States. Most of these laws however, are codes of conduct that regulates financial and corporate affairs, such as business ethics and tax revenues, not specific player-rules established within a game.

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Originally Posted by EULA #15. General Provisions

This Agreement is governed by and shall be construed and enforced under the laws of The States of Texas, without applying any conflicts of law principles which would require application of the law of any other jurisdiction...

This extracted statement, means that the EULA contract set forth by the company is enforceable by the Laws of the state. As long as it does not conflict with any other State Laws. So much that if it requires a "Third party" to regulate... would nullify the EULA.

In contrast with the so called "Freedom of Speech & Expression", it is not just a United States Constitutional right, it is part of the United nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 19, but it specifies in detail that it protects the IDEA of an expression, not the matter of which it is delivered in. To express an idea, no matter how profound or negative it is, has been everyone's right, but there are limits to how that idea is expressed:

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Originally Posted by Article 19

1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

In online video games, the environment is a shared one, so part of the EULA is a statement that regulation of communication within the game is still within their jurisdiction. As private companies and establishments are no different than private citizens and their properties, they share the equal rights.

Just because you're invited into a Jewish person's home, "Freedom of Speech" does not protect you from shouting anti-semitism.

Mr Pp · Nov 02, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious

Did they not even warn you about your "offensive" name and not offer to change it? That seems a bit odd to me, as those names don't jump right out at you as offensive... I mean you see people out there with some really twisted names, especially on PVP only characters.

I personally don't find anything offensive, but I've got... What's that called... Ohh, a sense of humor...

I can see why Anet doesn't have room for a sense of humor, but I thought that you got warned before outright banning... I'd be extremely upset if Anet banned me for a name without warning after seventeen months of playing and hundreds of GW recommendations.

Heh... I got banned for Mr Dooky, and I had that name for sometime before they banned me for 24hours, no warning no nothing, and they said mr dooky is offensive lol...

mrgoat · Nov 02, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by Captain Arne Is PRO

Eh that's what I meant. And yes, you can, Paris Hilton is copywritten. :P

Citation, please. Copyright applies to original works of authorship. Trademarks are used to denote the source of goods to limit confusion. Anyone can reproduce the name Paris Hilton. What you can't do, is market your own Paris Hilton brand of doodads without her permission, even if you are named Paris Hilton, which it is legal to be named, because she probably has a trademark for business purposes, like many famous people.

I mean, as far as I know. If you can cite her copyright on her own name, please do so. I searched on copyright.gov, but they only have searches on books, music, documents, etc. Nothing on names.

Now, you can't use the name in Guild Wars for a character name, because it's a famous person's name, and Arenanet bans the use of those. While it's possible that it is your constitutional right to call your wammo Paris Hilton, it's also daft. Of course, Paris is the name of a city in France, and France is offensive to some people who were in favor of the Iraq war, hence you probably can't call your character Paris Jimbo, Paris Born Rifle Dropper, Parisian Donut, or Homeless In Paris. You might not get banned immediately, but I'd guess you shouldn't plan on putting a year into that character, just in case. Name yourself Askjuilbhana Kijilalala instead.

On second thought, that might be offensive to native Gibberish speakers.

mrgoat · Nov 02, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

Just because you're invited into a Jewish person's home, "Freedom of Speech" does not protect you from shouting anti-semitism.

Actually, it does. What it doesn't protect you from, is being kicked off their property for it. If they invite you in, you don't lose your right to free speech, nor do they lose their right to kick you out for any reason, including being a jerk. But they do not gain the right to restrict what you say. Should you? Probably not. Could you? Yes. Can they kick you out? Yes. Can they sue you for... what, anti-semitic speech? No. The KKK is within their right to hate blacks. You are within your rights to despise jews. You're both within your rights to say so, anywhere in America. Just don't expect to get invited to many dinner parties, and don't think you have a right to a soapbox for it. You can say what you want, you don't have a right to make anyone listen.

Provided you're not violating any other laws, you can shout it from the rooftops. Just don't make a public disturbance with it, and don't expect a whole lot of sympathy.

Former Ruling · Nov 02, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

I love how people instantly jump to making this a Legal issue in these threads talking about EULAs and such lol. It isn't a legal issue at all, you can't sue because they banned your little account ina game. People would laugh at you.

The question is, will Anet become Everquest. If Everquest now...EVERY name is either used or banned lol. No proper names, no famous names, no games connected to similar games, etc.

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As for Anti-Semitism and racism and such...though you "technically" can be racist and such, the law doesn't prevent the system from being hard on you because of it. If a Random Guy was on trail for murdering a black guy..It'd run like normal, If a KKK member was on trail for murdering a black guy...Thats a Hate Crime...He is likely going to be convicted with minimal evidence and get the maximum sentence.

Diablo™ · Nov 02, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by mrgoat

Actually, it does. What it doesn't protect you from, is being kicked off their property for it.

That's true, but what I actually was refering to was the proprietor's right to "kick you out" (like you said) as in relation to "banning" a player.

Metanoia · Nov 02, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by SirErnieMacGloop

Nightfall Championship Trophy

Presented by the Zaishen to the winners of the Guild Wars Nightfall Championship.

lllll llll ll[llll]

Championship Roster:
llllll l,lllll ll,llll lll,lll llll,ll lllll,l llllll,ll ll ll,l l l l

Problem solved

Sorry, as you should well know, those a clearly curse-words used by the dolphins of the north atlantic. *banned*

This reminds me of some poor kid who thought "Sambo" was a cool name for ALL of his characters (Sambo The Great .etc), apparently it's a racial slur. So, with absolutely no warning that someone in a far away land once used it to insult someone in another far away land, all his characters were deleted.

Ps. @ meowmeow89. You're beyond pathetic to do that to a fellow player.

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

<--------- i take pride in the fact that my ign is in NO WAY offensive...

We'll see about that. *Goes off to start insulting people with the phrase "Kooter".*

mrgoat · Nov 02, 2006, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

That's true, but what I actually was refering to was the proprietor's right to "kick you out" (like you said) as in relation to "banning" a player.

Indeed. Arenanet has no right in the US to keep you from saying anything. They do have a right to kick you out of their game. They have to tolerate your use of an offensive character name... Just, not in GuildWars.

I just don't think they've been very consistent in their enforcement, when "Knee Grow" and "U R Ghey" are running around, but "Borat X" and "Rayne Jewel of Istan" aren't. I personally would prefer they let more "offensive" names in, since they... already don't do much about them. But that's not my call.

Neo Nugget · Nov 02, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32

I made a character named X mad king thorn X cuz i was into the haloween spirit.Had him for 1 month,wanted to remake him elonian.Now its a bad name>.<(I can see why but why is this just taking effect.)

Tachyon · Nov 02, 2006, 04:40 AM // 04:40

I just want to call my pet White Tiger 'Bagpuss', but for some bizarre reason that particular name is banned!

Bloody weird and quite anal if you ask me!